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Posted: Sat Feb 11, 2012 5:23 pm
by brntrout
Wood duck for tails doesn't hold up at all. The same goes for pheasant tail fiber tips used as the tails on standard PT's. Whereas microfibetts are nearly impossible to destroy and a K Flash wingcase coated with cement does not come apart unless you catch more than 40 trout on one fly, then you might have a shot at K flash fraying. Real Baetis nymph's ( their a swimmer type of mayfly nymph) swim with there legs tucked in, so their nearly invisible. Why represent the legs on Baetis nymph's when the fish really don't see them anyway.

In general I readily agree with DA's suggestions but not for Baetis nymph imitations.

Posted: Sat Feb 11, 2012 6:48 pm
by mwinkels
The picture helps me out a lot. Now I have an idea of what it should look like. Thanks, Ted.

Posted: Sat Feb 11, 2012 6:54 pm
by D.A.
"Why represent the legs on Baetis nymph's when the fish really don't see them anyway." Kind of like a tail, IMO. No one can prove what a trout sees and doesn't see. It's all about personal believability. If you think your fly will catch fish because you use micro-fibbets, then it will. If you think it will catch fish because the thorax is teased out, then it will.

I get it that you want a "long" segmented profile, but missing a tail in the big picture has not impacted my catch rate, personally. Don't discount woodie. Tie more into the tail than you might think, and it will stand up just fine. I get an abundance of woodie from my fowling friends, so using half a feather per fly isn't a big deal. These are trail flies for me, so attaching tippet is also not an issue to tail destruction.

I skip the k. flash and head cement and just streamline the process with a one piece wing case....and my mind tells me that's what works.

We all have preferences, and that's a good thing.

Posted: Sat Feb 11, 2012 9:34 pm
by brntrout
We all have preferences, and that's a good thing
It sure is, especially when it comes to tying trout flies that are durable and simple to tie.

Re: KILLER - Simple Baetis Nymph Pattern

Posted: Sun Feb 12, 2012 11:26 am
by jrs
Since everyone has their own preferences and many of us like to experiment, here are a few more baetis nymph patterns worth considering. I think they all incorporate the thin and dark characteristic, but none of them are quite as simple as brntrout's.

Craven's Jujubaetis. http://www.charliesflyboxinc.com/flybox ... rentID=124

Ross Mueller's One Biot Nymph. http://books.google.com/books?id=CK4G8h ... &q&f=false

Andy Roth's Kinni Nymph. http://www.graygoatflyfishing.com/2008/ ... nni-nymph/

Skinny Nelson. This has been my favorite baetis nymph the last several seasons. I omit the bead and use Black-Peacock Ice Dub for the thorax. http://www.charliesflyboxinc.com/flybox ... rentID=152

Of course, you can borrow ideas / components from one and use it in another. For example, I tied up some of brntrout's pattern this morning, but a did some with black k flash wrapped abdomen and some with the copper rib.

Posted: Sun Feb 12, 2012 12:33 pm
by brntrout
JRS,

I have used Black K Flash for the abdomen area a lot in the past for baetis nymph patterns the only problem with it is you have to reverse rib it with wire or mono or it gets frayed apart easily. It works great but takes more time to tie.

I find the more simple you can make a pattern that works great (fish take it readily) and is durable the more time you have to fish. That it especially true once the general season is under way and your fly supply is vanishing fast when the hatches are in full swing. Nothing is more frustrating than having to spend time tying flies when one feels they should be spending that time fishing.

Now days my main goal as a angler fly tier is to construct flies that are as simple as possible yet be durable and at the same time are killer fly patterns that trout take readily. With the business I'm now in, I find I have to make the most of my free time if I want to get much fishing in. :(

Re: KILLER - Simple Baetis Nymph Pattern

Posted: Mon Feb 20, 2012 11:22 am
by graygoat
All good comments!
I learn all the time from these exchanges of ideas, and experimentation. The tested, tried and true pattern is golden. Those patterns line my boxes because of the past. However, the future is tomorrow and change is certain. Perhaps the quest to be a better predator, to fool more trout, to find a better pattern, lurks within all of us as anglers/tiers...... depending upon the moment in time. How does one "find" tried and true without experimentation? OK enough of that philosophical stuff!
If you guys could only see the crazy shiz I tie up over the winter and throw in the water in the spring you would laugh your socks off. I will change a pattern that is catching fish consistently just to see if some other pattern will work better. Mostly there is science and observation behind the pattern change but sometimes my changes will go totally against conventionality. There are times when I have no solid explanation for a pattern switch, or the variation I choose, (it may have something to do with killing off so many brain cells in my youth). I am almost never satisfied with the results no matter what the pattern. I know I already have the best patterns in my box for my little neck of the woods but I also know there is something better. Sometimes I learn important lessons from these changes( like go back to that first pattern you idiot), other times I open a little door that had previously been hidden from my view. I know I ramble, but does that make any sense what so ever?
Jrs, its nice to see how your subtle herding techniques that allow all of the alpha males to behave themselves:)

Posted: Mon Feb 20, 2012 11:30 am
by brntrout
As the saying goes, there's nothing gained if there's nothing ventured!
Jrs, its nice to see how your subtle herding techniques that allow all of the alpha males to behave themselves:)
Good one. :lol:

Re: KILLER - Simple Baetis Nymph Pattern

Posted: Tue Jun 12, 2012 8:19 am
by flyfshr
This one saved my day recently. On a couple different streams this week, I could see fish rising to something that was pretty hard to spot. I finally caught a very tiny (about size 20) very dark mayfly. Even with the incredibly warm weather it is too early for Tricos right? I tried every BWO dry I had in my box and couldn't even get a look from the fish. After going through everything I had of a BWO nature, I tied one of these little nymphs on trailed about 6 inches behind a big bushy dry caddis. That was the ticket. The fish absolutely smashed that little nymph in size 18. Normally I fish nymphs as deep as I can get them so trailing one near the surface behind a dry is very unusual for me but it sure worked.

Posted: Mon Dec 31, 2012 11:07 am
by flyfshr
I am definitely going to tie up a dozen of these correctly and have them in my fly box this season. They would even work work in the winter as I have gotten into BWO in Feb on warm winters.